Talking to John Lewis on the Flipside

Richard Martini
11 min readAug 8, 2020

Speaking of and talking to John Lewis…

Congressman Lewis (Wikipedia)

For fans of the flipside research, the process has been the same. I film people under hypnosis speaking to folks on the other side (or their higher selves, guides, teachers, etc) and put those transcripts into my books (or turn that into a documentary; “Flipside” on Amazon Prime or “Talking to Bill Paxton” on Gaia.)

When I started working with the amazing Jennifer Shaffer, I filmed our conversations, often in a noisy restaurant — but my goal was to record the conversation for print later. I knew the footage was for the most part unusable in a noisy restaurant (but that didn’t stop me from using it in “Talking to Bill Paxton” or in “Talking to Junior Seau, Paul Allen and Dave Duerson”). In both cases, those films have footage from quieter locales.

Then, due to the pandemic, Jennifer and I were forced to have our meetings online. We both have this desire to “move the needle forward” in this research. We aren’t doing it at anyone’s request, if people want to purchase the books they can — “Backstage Pass to the Flipside Part One, Part two and book three.” But they don’t have to do that.

They can just tune into the podcast or watch the clips at

The set up is this — I may have decided upon interviewing someone, as I did with Congressman John Lewis — and ask them to come forward. I did so a couple of weeks ago. Since Prince has been an escort to many people who come into our “classroom” — I thought “If Jennifer says he’s shown up” then he’s bringing someone into class with him. Often it’s a musician, but not always.

In this case, a couple of weeks ago, after his death, I asked him to bring forward John if he was interested in speaking for our class. He was not at that point. I didn’t say to Jennifer “We want to speak to John Lewis” — but when she said “Prince is here” — I said “Does he want to bring forward the person I suggested this morning, or is he not ready for that?”

Richard Martini

Best selling author (kindle) “Flipside” “Its a Wonderful Afterlife” “Hacking the Afterlife” “Backstage Pass to the Flipside” writer/director of 8 feature films